Episode 104: The WOW Factor: Unleashing Your Child's Inner Wonder and Keeping Your Sanity Intact with Debora Hollick

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DJ Stutz  0:23  
Welcome heroes and heroines to Episode 104 of Imperfect Heroes, Insights Into Parenting, the perfect podcast for imperfect parents looking to find joy in their experience of raising children in an imperfect world. And I'm your host DJ Stutz, and we have a special treat for all you parents out there who want to nurture your child's sense of wonder, and then watch it bloom into adulthood. Get ready for an awe inspiring adventures we're diving into the captivating world of Wow. Which is wonder, openness and wisdom. And my guest today is the amazing Debora J Hollic. 

Well in today's episode, we're going to explore Debora's mind blowing concept of WOW. Which, like I said, stands for wonder, openness and wisdom. And as adults, we often find ourselves caught up in the whirlwind of life. We're just too busy or preoccupied to pause and simply say, Wow, but think of the wonders were missing out on. Debora is here to remind us to be open to the inspiring moments that surround us, and to extract wisdom from these experiences. And when we embrace the wow, we become happier, kinder, and we discover unexpected sources of knowledge that can truly amaze us. And children are natural experts in seeing the WoW around them. But you know, as time goes by our unintentional actions may inadvertently dim their ability to see and appreciate the wonders of life. We get caught up in busyness and disconnectedness. We get fatigued, and we forget to just pause for a moment and experience the WoW with them. But just imagine the limitless possibilities that open up when we take the time to soak in the WoW alongside our kids as we work to keep their sense of wonder alive and have it lasts throughout their lives. 

Well, Debora is a master at this transformative practice and she has an abundance of wisdom to share. She's not only a contributing author to the mesmerizing book, Live Life and Wow, nuggets of wonder, openness and wisdom, along with several other anthology books. But she has also authored a new book specifically for parents, titled The Bully Lives Within which is set to be released in October and trust me heroes and heroines, you won't want to miss us. Debora's insights and expertise are going to leave you inspired and ready to move along on your own journey of rediscovering the wow moments of life. And so together, we're going to explore some of the practical strategies to infuse our lives and our children's lives with wonder, openness and wisdom. So parents, grab your hero capes, and put them on. And join us as we delve into the magical realm of WoW with Debora J Hollic and be prepared to be amazed, laugh a little, maybe even shed a tear do as we discover the transformative power of embracing the wow moments of our lives. So get ready to unleash your inner child and let the adventure begin. There's so much to learn. So let's get started. 

Welcome, everyone, and thank you for joining Imperfect Heroes Insights Into Parenting and choosing to spend this time with us. And as you know, if you've been listening long, I have been so lucky to run into so many amazing people who have so much to offer for our parents and our families, caregivers, teachers, when we're dealing with those youngest children, eight and under, as we build those foundations that will enhance and bless their lives, and then the lives of others as they grow up and become these amazing people. Today my amazing guest is Debora Hollic. And Debora you have a movement as well as a book, Why don't you talk to us a little bit.

Debora Hollick  4:33  
Well, thank you so much for having me. DJ, I'm so honored to be here. Yes, this is a very exciting time for myself and the 14 other authors that are in the book that we launched. Back in December. We went to number one in six categories on Amazon. So I'm very excited and it's called Live Life in WoW. nuggets of wonder, openness and wisdom. So So while was an acronym for that, and and the reason I came up with that was I think we all say, Wow, a lot. At least I do. It's one of my favorite words oh, about you.

DJ Stutz  5:11  
Me too.

Debora Hollick  5:14  
And it's just such a great expression. And I think every language, there's some sort of expression. And it's so much fun to learn how other people say well to. So this book is an anthology with 14 other authors, and they're all real life stories that are wild stories. And in each chapter, there is what the author thought was the wonder, openness and wisdom. And one of the things we do is encourage all of our readers if they resonate with any of those stories, or those authors to get in touch, we've actually put how to get in touch with each author in the book. So in addition to the book itself, we also did an accompanying playbook, what we call a playbook instead of a workbook. And so the majority of the authors that are in the book have also put different types of some or playful coloring, little stories, there's a different exercises to do, I put an article in about fear that people can do. And there's so there's all really useful and practical things in there. So we feel that wow, is just a real important concept for families. Especially I think, teaching children this when they're young, because they already have that concept in them. It is what young children are like everything as well. So it's just so much fun. And I think we squish that out of them.

DJ Stutz  6:43  
Yeah, we do in so many ways. And I think that's why a lot of parents are really pushing for them. You can do whatever you want, you can be what you want to be. And isn't that a wonderful thing, because we send them to school. And they're told, we'll sit down, raise your hand, follow these rules, we're going to do math for this long, and we're going to do reading for this long. And if they don't fit into that structure, as many of our kids don't, if they don't fit into that structure, in most cases, the administration, the teacher, the system will push and squeeze them until they do or if they continue to not fit in, then when you get the calls from home, your child had a meltdown. And all of this stuff is going on because they're taking a little longer to be molded into something that fits into that system.

Debora Hollick  7:36  
Oh, I so agree with you. I mean, I remember when I was a kid, I apparently was pretty bright. And I could get my work done really quickly. And I figured when I was done my work, I should go and talk to everybody else. So that didn't go over quite so well. But I have to tell you, I had a grade one teacher, I still remember her name many, many, many years ago, her name was Miss Adrienne. And I can still see her and I loved her so much that she was a wise young teacher, because she recognized that I could get my stuff done. She recognized it wasn't that I was misbehaving. It was just that I just thought this made logical sense. So I was done nicely. You know, I did what I was told. So she made me feel really important that she bring me up. She said, Oh, I need you to come and help me. And so I just thought I was the bee's knees and up I went to help her and thought I was just the most important thing on the planet. And she just made me feel special and kept me out of everybody's hair. Yeah. And I think she was wise because she didn't stifle me. And she still controlled her classroom. She nurtured me in a way that made me blossom, as opposed to squishing out my Wow. And I still remember her and I'm not exactly a spring chicken. So I just love to give her credit because I wish more teachers would find ways to do that with students because it it helped shape my life.

DJ Stutz  9:09  
Yeah. And in fact, it's interesting. So I have one of my kids is super, super ADHD. So he struggled with teachers who required them to sit still and to do this. He needed to move around and stuff but it was interesting to see what happened some years he had teachers that were just flustered beyond measure with him. And other years he had teachers that he just shined with because they saw who he is they understood how he learned how he retained knowledge. And it's funny that one year he went from being he was in sixth grade and he went from being in a developmental math program, a teacher who really struggled with him. Sometimes it's nice to be the PTA president at your school. I went and talked to the principal and told her what was going on. And she's like, oh, yeah, she said, but the only other classroom that we have any room and for him to go to, is an honors math class. And I said, Well, he's gonna fail developmental math, or is going to fail honors math, it's a fail either way. And she says, Well, that's a good point. I suppose it's going to change his society, like his peers, the kids he's hanging with. She said, Well, we'll give it a try. Let's do it. This teacher so got him and so embraced his Wow, that he wound up with the highest grade in the honors math class. And didn't even have to take the final because even if he failed, that he still had an A. So when you see teachers, but parents do it, too,

Debora Hollick  10:44  
right, we all do it, not just parents, families do it. As uncles do it, grandparents, grandparents, society as a whole doesn't. So we can't beat up on teachers or parents, because they have a tough job, I think in society right now. And maybe it's always been this way, generation to generation. But I think it's just tough trying to grow up right now. And I think it's really tough trying to raise children, and teach them, teaching has changed so dramatically. I personally would not want to be a teacher in this day and age. But so I really commend them, especially the teachers who are really, really trying like this wonderful honors math teacher or miss Adrienne, and I know many wonderful teachers. One of my sisters was a teacher in one of my businesses that I was doing, I actually met one of her students. And she said to me, Oh, Mrs. So and so is your I don't want to say her name because I don't have her permission. But it Mrs. So and so is your sister. Oh, she's the best. She said, I just can't tell you how much I appreciate her and how much I love her. She said she believed in me. And because she believed in me with I'm the only person that has ever graduated in my whole family.

DJ Stutz  12:09  
Get out of town.

Debora Hollick  12:11  
That to me, I told my sister the hour. And I told my sister that and she actually started to cry. Yeah, because she said, I'm so glad because I would have had no and she remembers the student. Oh, you know, many years later, we're all adults, this woman had children. And so the teachers can and do make an enormous impact on our lives. And I'm lucky I had several very good teachers, I want to say, and I hope I hope every child out there gets to say that and some

DJ Stutz  12:43  
Well, this is my first year retired after 20 years in the classroom, teaching kindergarten, and then I did some preschool directing preschools for the school district as well. But you do you remember your kids. And it does make a huge difference. And I think that whether you're the parent or the teacher or the neighbor down the street, you can embrace that. Wow, with the kids, you can be the grumpy neighbor that screams and yells at the kids because they're making noise because their basketball keeps going in your yard. And we've had like that too. But you can also be the neighbor that Okay, same kiddo, same child, my son, and he was learning about drumming. We thought drumming will be good for him. But we just had the practice drums, we didn't have the big ones. Well, we had a neighbor that lived less than a block away. And he was a drummer. This was when we lived in Vegas, and he worked some of the shows on the strip and stuff with drumming. And he had this amazing drum set. When Saturday morning, it's like seven o'clock in the morning and Russ and I are just barely getting up and we hear the doorbell ring. And so I go and answer the door in my jammies and it's this neighbor and he's Christian. I said, Oh, no, I didn't even know he was out of the house. Right? And he said, Yeah, he showed up about 630. Then he went in and started playing the drums on this amazing drum set. Like, I am so sorry. Oh, absolutely. And he goes no, no, no, no, it's great. I'm so glad that he's engaged. And he loves drumming, and I love drumming. And he's welcome to come and drum whenever he wants. Like, this was such a great neighbor. And so Christian, he was in second grade and he would go down after school and sometimes that was the reward for keeping it together at school, and he could go and drum at this neighbor's house. So when you inspire that, wow, and kids, I think yeah, when we look for opportunities to engage the WoW All. And what's funny is with Wow, when you turn it upside down, what does it spell?

Debora Hollick  15:06  
Mom or mom? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yes,

DJ Stutz  15:07  
Mom, how often are we as Mom, we're so busy, we got to get dinner done. And we got to get to this practice and that practice, and we've got to pick up so and so from here or there, and, boy, we're just rushing around. And sometimes we feel like we don't have the time to sit back and say, Wow, that was so cool. It would only take maybe 510 seconds sometimes to just sit back and enjoy that your child was really into something, go and then go on with your day. But we get so busy sometimes that we forget to do that. And to find that

Debora Hollick  15:43  
balance to find it in ourselves. First, I'm a real believer that we teach by example. And so if the parent has the mindset, and the consciousness because we get caught up in everyday life, let's face it, everybody has bills to pay and food to cook and groceries to buy and work to get to and from and house to clean and laundry and oh my gosh, the list goes on. And then we're supposed to be amazingly adept at everything else. And on top of all that, and that's men and women in this day and age do. There's a lot of guys that are doing all those things. So I really feel that society, not just parents, not just teachers, everybody, if we started looking for the while really focusing on the Wow, in every situation. I'm going to talk and just the good ones. It's easy to find the WoW and the good stuff. You win the lottery. Oh, wow. Yeah, okay, I can find the Wow. And that no problem. I just got a great bargain. And there was something I was looking for. And wow, I can find a while on that. But it's the while in the real tough times. And that's where I really admire a lot of our veterans who have come back that have had horrendous experiences, injuries and whatnot. So many of them have still found a while. And people who have been in terrible car accidents and have found a way to progress beyond they find the Wow, in the bad. And people who've had major illnesses. So what if we were just to play with it a little bit and say, What if I looked for that every day, it would raise the vibration of the world, if we all started looking for the wall in the little things, the big things and teaching that to the little ones, or at the very least not squishing it out of them. What's wrong with letting the kids teach us? What's wrong with letting them shine and let them share their Wiles because it's just so much fun to hear it out of the mouths of babes. And I believe that as that is nurtured. Kids would continue to do that. So again, let's just take the school situation. Okay, there has to be rules. You can't have everybody swinging from the chandeliers. So what if we were to help kids find the Wow, of being in school finding the Wow, of when I sit and I concentrate? And I focus on this? Wow, I remember it. What if we taught them that? Yeah. As opposed to sit down, be quiet. Don't disturb anybody else. Stop looking over there. You know, don't chew on your pen, you know, whatever. You know, just sit, sit, sit sit gets like, oh, gosh, Were you ever a child people? Were all kids, kids jump for a reason. It cleans their lymphatics. And we say don't jump, and then we wonder why they have problems later. Right. So right? I just think if we at the very least we didn't squish it out of them. And if we allow them to express that, wow, what's the wonder in what you just learned? What has it opened it up? opened you up to? And what did you what's the wisdom in it? What did you learn from them?

DJ Stutz  19:00  
Exactly, exactly. I love all of that. I know, one of the things that I would do with my kinders is we get ready to learn a new idea or a new process for whatever topic that you're working on. And so I'd say grab your head, hold on tight, and your brain is about to grow. Alright, hold on, can you hold on more information? You know, we would joke around and I think to that as parents, teachers, caregivers, grandmas and grandpas, all of that. And I think for me, grandparent, I've got 12 grandkids and we just find absolute joy in them and they're giving our kids a hard time and we're like yeah, yeah, that's how it goes. But I wonder because some of that pressure is off that is on parents or that parents except then just saying whatever. But some of that pressure is off and so you can see them like doing cartwheels in the middle of living room, and a psych, that was great, where as a parent, you're like, Oh, you're gonna break something. And I knew that I would be that way I did that as a parent, I worry too much instead of just moving the furniture and saying, Yeah, you're doing awesome. Let's do that. My oldest daughter, she has five kids as well. And the kids were really into gymnastics, the two younger girls super into it. And they were taking gymnastics lessons. And they had a house that they were renting. And they didn't have furniture for the living room yet. And so she never did buy furniture, she wanted to put in a balance beam. And pillows all along the side, if they fell, and it wasn't a tall balance beam, you can get some for practice, and they're only so far off the floor. And I thought good for you. Good that you did that. Where I would have been all worried about having things looking just right and proper and blah, blah, blah. Candace just was able to take that and run with it. And it's just an amazing process that you can help your kids go through and just enjoy. Enjoy it how they need. Yeah,

Debora Hollick  21:13  
sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt, but I was just gonna say to your point, how she embraced that. And what are her children going to embrace? What are her children going to embrace? They're not going to embrace Oh, geez, don't sit on the furniture. It's covered with plastic as it was when we were kids in some households. Not ours, not ours. But somebody's kid, and her kids are gonna go with that coolest mom. She was Wow, our mom was Wow. And they will embrace their own creativity in their own activity. And she she was teaching them so much more. Yeah. Which obviously, she got some from you.

DJ Stutz  21:55  
I wasn't all bad.

Debora Hollick  21:57  
There you go. There you go. See, nobody's all that bad. And we can find a while in it. Like even for you to be able to say, you know, wow, my kid saw this, as opposed to this. You know, that's a wow moment. Yeah, the whole wild concept. For me, TJ was given to me really, as a gift. I call it a gift from God, Spirit, whatever you want to call it. It's all the same big believer in God. Yeah. And yeah, and me too. And so I'm a very spiritual person. And I believe when you're given a gift, you're literally told in your just writing because your hand just starts to write, and there it is in front of you. You have to take trust, and you have to believe that this is supposed to happen. And I do I really believe in this. And so we're starting to do events this year, around Wow, as a movement. And so eventually, the whole concept. And as people express more and more interest to have while events in their community, they will be licensed to be able to do it the way we're going to do it. And so we start a whole movement. And I'd like to have it around the world, because I really believe it will change the way society thinks and feels and, and becomes much more tolerant, and accepting and looking for the real wonder. I mean, I think you could probably find that in all the major religious doctrines, or any doctrine, what we think about we bring about so if we're starting to think about the Wow, and the wonder, the openness and wisdom of any given situation, instead of just reacting. I just think that life just couldn't get a whole lot better for a whole lot people, you know, we might be having financial challenges. I think right now a lot of people are so and I don't think it matters where you live. To be honest, there's a lot of people having some financial troubles. But if they can take the wall around that and say, Okay, this has given me an opportunity. So what's the wonder in this? Well, I'm going to think differently, I'm going to think differently, instead of what I don't have, I'm going to start counting my blessings about what I do. And I've heard you talk about this DJ too. And I know that you believe the same as I do. And we you hear that all the time, count your blessings, you know, count your blessings. People don't. They don't realize I think sometimes what that means. So like, really focus on your blessings, and my goodness, you got out of bed today your breathing is people who aren't.

DJ Stutz  24:34  
Exactly yeah.

Debora Hollick  24:36  
Because the alternative is very different, right? Or, you know, you're healthy. Or maybe you don't have a fancy dancy car, but you have a car. Yeah, you know, maybe you're not eating steak and lobster. Maybe you don't even like steak and lobster, but you're not eating steak and lobster but you have some stew. You know what, maybe you have some soup. There's people who don't know Yeah, you know, and and to start looking at it, and to teach that to the young ones too, because it doesn't take much for the little ones to find joy. No, it doesn't, you know, they're just full of the wonder the openness and the wisdom all the time. I mean, it just, it's just a marvel to me how we've all been developed from a young age and what what children learn from the ages, or how they develop even from the age of zero to one, I mean, my goodness, or to what they go through, I mean, when you think of everything they go through, and they're still little wondrous creatures. Yeah. And again, it doesn't matter where they come from, whether they've come from an affluent life, or a non affluent life, or whether they live in the North American continent or any other continent, it doesn't matter. They all have that within them.

DJ Stutz  25:55  
Yeah, they do. And it's amazing. I've shared with you before, my favorites, one of my favorite scriptures is found in Joshua, that's in the Old Testament. It's in chapter three, verse five, but Josh was talking to the people of Israel, and he says, sanctify yourselves, for tomorrow, we shall see wonders. And I just love that if you're preparing yourself that sanctifying yourself, if you're preparing yourself to see the wonders, they are there, they are there. And it doesn't need to be the parting of the Red Sea or pillar of fire, you know, guarding you at night. But sometimes it's just that walking in and seeing that your two year old found the Cheerios and poured them all on the floor. And you can get mad and upset and send them off to their room and clean it up. You could engage them and having them help you clean it up. Or you could just sit and watch for a little bit. And see, they're ruined anyway, it's not like you're gonna put them back in the box, right? And watch them how they'll push down and smash them, or what is he doing? What is he or she learning and engaging? And they're, they're experimenting, and they're testing out theories? And they have questions that they're not going to put into words, because they're too, but those processes are going on in their mind. Is that not a wonder?

Debora Hollick  27:23  
It is? And there's so many things, just taking that that same instance. I mean, you can teach them how to count. You can teach them coordination, you can teach them how to pop it into another container so that they learn, you know, distance and depth. And I mean, and then

DJ Stutz  27:41  
you can put the cheerios in a higher cabinet next time. Right, right. Right, right. Oh,

Debora Hollick  27:47  
I'll tell you kids are resourceful. I grew up on my farm. And my mom worked really hard. And she she used to like to have a little nap in the afternoon. Sure. And back in the day that sofas with at least a sofa. We had kind of a curve on it so that it gave a little extra space at the bottom. And I used to like to crawl in behind there and watch TV while my mom was having a low nap. Sure. Well, at Christmas time, we always had candy. We didn't get candy very often, but we had it at Christmas. And the candy was put way up high on the very top shelf. So I learned that when my mum was sleeping. I could pull out our drawers which my dad had built so sturdily when he built our house and I could make them like a staircase. So I literally learned how far I had to pull them out. I was quiet as a mouse. I didn't wake my mum. And I'd step up there. And I learned how to get that bag. And I learned that if I put them in a little weak container, I could get them down. So I didn't have take the whole bag down. I could just take some out. And I started doing that. Oh, I was so proud of myself. And I would go behind the sofa and eat the candy watch the TV. Well my mom slept well, I don't know. It was that she needed to get this candy out. I don't know maybe one of my siblings want some candy

and My poor mom she couldn't figure out how how this candy disappeared because the kids were in school wasn't them. So I think she was wondering and I I think I showed her. I was so proud of myself. I needed to show her my confidence. Yeah, like Wonder. I think she was so shocked and so happy. I didn't kill myself. So shocked at my ingenuity that she didn't even get out that's amazing what kid Can Do kids can figure stuff out. And, you know, no, I was older than two, I was about four and a half. But it was I was pretty proud of myself.

DJ Stutz  30:10  
Yeah, that's for sure. And that's the thing is sometimes we we take away that pride and shame them. Why are you doing that? That's dangerous or no Oh, our candies gone and, and we guilt them. we shame them for you. And I'm so glad your mom reacted the way that you didn't thank you for sharing that. But for you, I mean, you are showing yourself as an engineering genius, right? And architectural wonder. And your mom was able to embrace that moment and just say, wow, you're smarter than I ever was.

Debora Hollick  30:49  
I think she was just so shocked. Like I say grateful that I didn't break anything, or that I was still in one piece. And it was I mean, this went on for like, a long time. Like, this was a pretty big bag again. And so and I don't think I did it everything. I don't think I did it every day. And I just don't think she napped every day. But anyway, as a kid, that's what I remember. But I remember the pride. I remember the pride of I did this and I could do this and I did it quietly. I wasn't trying to be sneaky. wasn't like I was trying to be sneaky. My mum was sleeping. I was trying to be quiet. I wanted candy. It wasn't like I was trying to be a bad European thoughtful. You didn't wake her up? Yeah. Yeah. And I didn't want to ask her for candy because she was sleeping. Right?

DJ Stutz  31:35  
Right. It makes perfect sense, doesn't it? To me.

Debora Hollick  31:40  
So I think it's really good for kids, for parents to to to stop if they can, and say, Okay, what is the wonder in my child's behavior here? Yeah. What is that opening them up to? Yeah, what's the wisdom in it that we can all learn from? Yeah,

DJ Stutz  31:59  
kids show so much wisdom, as well. Wisdom and stuff. There's so many kids that will notice when someone is sad or hurt or whatever. And they may not have the words to say I, you know, I'm sorry, I see you're sad. But they do have the wisdom to pick up on it and maybe come and snuggle in with mom or dad, or give a hug, or help us sibling with something. There are so many times that our kids do that absolutely naturally. And then it goes away. So I wonder if we really embrace that and said, I love the way that you noticed I was sad. And you just came and gave me a hug. That meant so much to me. Now we're helping them put some words to what they're feeling. They noticed that made me feel loved, that made me feel calmer. And you're giving them those words, but then you're also encouraging that behavior rather than just, oh, that's so sweet. And but we don't say it to our kids. We're busy taking a video to post on Facebook rather than engaging and just being present in that moment and absorbing the wisdom your children are just now showing you

Debora Hollick  33:15  
and talking about it. I was listening to one of your podcasts where you mentioned about I think it was the 10 things not to say ever say to kids, and it was number four. One of the things that really struck me in that podcast, was you saying not to just say to kids Good job. Yeah. And you said about expounding upon that about why what did they do? That was a good job. What was it about? And I just loved that? Because I thought, yeah, yeah, it's wonderful for somebody to say good job. Well, why was it a good job, I just brushed my teeth. So that they realized that there's wonder in that, that there's wisdom in what they did. To me, it just is also encompassing, the word wow, is also encompassing. And I think we can just really nurture it and help kids to nurture it in each other. And I think the playground would be a nicer place.

DJ Stutz  34:08  
Yeah. And yeah, that's true. And I think to looking at when your child sees something going on, on the playground, that may be unkind or inappropriate, and instead of yelling, or screaming or whatever, one of the things I've tried to teach with my kindergarteners, someone's being mean to someone, you go to the person who they're being mean to. You don't need to talk to the person who's being mean, you talk to the other kiddo and say, just come play with me. Put your arm around them and say, Come play with me. And then that will dissolve the situation and there's been tons of studies done on just that simple tactic of going up to someone who's, I hate the word victimized, but you know, who's been the target and just saying, Hey, how are you doing? Or standing between them or whatever and that would make the playground a much better place, as well. You're giving them that wisdom on how to follow through on that in a safe manner, and then just making the world a better place.

Debora Hollick  35:13  
Well, and it's also showing the bully that they don't get that attention. No, no, no, they're the one who are negative and misbehaving. And they're being mean. So you know what, you don't get to have any attention when you are like that. Because love and kindness is what makes the world go round. So you know, what, bully, you just go over there by yourself. Because when you're ready to be nice, you get to come and be with the other people. And it's just so much better that that way. And I think that again, if kids are taught and nurtured with that concept, so that they're still allowed to shine like they do when they're little. And you know, where everything is the wow, that I think they'll continue that throughout their life, they'll it will become a conscious decision by adults and parents, adults in general around to teach that and continue to allow that to blossom in kids, it's gonna raise a whole different generation. Oh, it's not gonna happen overnight. But it can start getting better very quickly, as we teach, and share that what we think about we bring about so you know what, we can think about something that's awful. Or think about something that's wonderful. And guess which one feels better? Just find the next thought that feels better. You don't have to be jumping up and down and getting all excited, just find one little little thought that makes you feel a little bit better. And then another one and another one. And I think it just, it's a ripple effect, for sure.

DJ Stutz  36:49  
Absolutely. It is. Absolutely it is. So Debra, I know, you mentioned your book, and it that's a collaborative thing. Can you tell our listeners how to find that book, and then how to find your Wow program as well.

Debora Hollick  37:06  
Okay, well, my website is www dot Smash, SME sh, through thr ough, mentor, Ma, n t o r.com. So you can go there, you can find me on LinkedIn as well. We also have a wild concept paid Facebook page. So I'd love people to join in there and talk about where we're growing that community and really wanting to share stuff in there. So feel free to join. And those are different ways the link for the books are going to err on the side as well. Plus, there'll be at the end of this broadcast on your page, I will make sure you have all those links that people can go to. Also, they're on Amazon amazon.com amazon.ca. So just look for live life in WoW. nuggets of wonder, openness and wisdom.

DJ Stutz  37:59  
Well, Deborah, before we go, I'd love to ask you the same question I asked of all my guests. And that is how would you describe a successful parent,

Debora Hollick  38:09  
I would describe a successful parent, as one who has raised children, or is raising children doesn't have to necessarily be that they're adults, that they have a kindness about them. They have integrity, they have a curiosity. And they have desire to do more to be more and to grow as adults, I believe a successful parent is one who has raised their their adults to be successful, not just financially, that's not the be all and end all that to be successful in relationships, whether it's with a co worker, siblings, a spouse and their own children, and that they have put the kids first. I think nowadays where you've got a lot of broken homes, unfortunately, I think that the moment more balanced adults come out of broken homes where the parents have put the kids first. Don't fight over nothing. It's not worth it. The kids feel all of that. So put the kids first don't fight over whether or not one saw the kids more this week than last week, or that you got to see them more they got to see them more enjoy and be grateful that both parents want to be with the kids. Yes, I think that's so important. So So I think that's what I feel, helps raise great adults and make parents successful. It's not it's not just that they find the corporate ladder. That to me is the least of it. And not that it's terrible to climb a corporate ladder. It's

DJ Stutz  39:46  
no no,

Debora Hollick  39:47  
it's no, it's not terrible for anybody to want to do and be and have more. That's the way we're made. That's not a terrible thing. I just think that balance in life is important. You just

DJ Stutz  39:59  
hit the nail on ahead there. It's all about that balance. You're so right. Deborah, thank you so much for being a part of our program today. And I hope that our listeners that all that information is just going to be down in the show notes. And so if you just scroll down, we'll have links, you can just click and get to where they need you to find more about Wow, and what you do, I'm just so excited. And I so believe in what you're sharing, and talking about. And so thank you very much.

Debora Hollick  40:29  
Thank you for having me. It's been a pleasure. So reach out anybody who wants to have a well event. Talk to me.

DJ Stutz  40:36  
That sounds like a lot of fun. And I don't know, maybe I'll have to reach out and get involved there. Because that just sounds like a lot of fun.

Debora Hollick  40:44  
Well, thank you so much. I'd love to love that.

DJ Stutz  40:48  
Yeah, yeah. All right. We'll talk to you later.

Debora Hollick  40:52  
Thanks a lot. Bye, bye.

DJ Stutz  40:56  
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