Episode 114: The Magic of Music and Mavericks with Bryson Tarbet

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So heroes and heroines gather around the auditory campfire because we've got a musical journey to embark on. I am delighted to introduce a fellow whose passion for music and education is as contagious as one of those catchy tunes you just can't shake. Well, please join me in welcoming the maestro himself. The brain beneath the beats the one the only Bryson Tarbet. He hails from the outskirts of Columbus, Ohio. And Bryson is not your everyday general music teacher. Armed with a Bachelors of music in music, education, and a Masters of music in music education, he is ready to wield the power of education through the magic of melodies. But wait, there's more to this musical virtual so story. Picture this, a young educator stumbles on an elementary school intervention team. And just like that, love blooms, not the flowers and chocolates kind of love, mind you, but a deep affection for working with students with disabilities. That's Bryson for you, an advocate for creating inclusive classrooms that ring with joy for all Did I mention he's not just a music maestro, but a music education superhero? Bryson has donned his cape in the form of that music teacher LLC, which is a platform where he champions the voices of educators and shares his passion through that music podcast. Tune into his episodes and you'll be hooked. 

Now, hold on to your hats or headphones. Because Bryson and I had a chat that's bound to make your eardrums dance. We discuss the science backed wonders of music education from mental health perks to conquering restless energy with rhythms and harmonies and hold on to your pitchforks do because we're diving into how music, art and PE all get caught up in the crazy game of politics. So without further ado, prepare to be entertained and enlightened. Join Bryson Tarbet on this episode of Imperfect Heroes, where we explore his musical adventures, and the symphony of education that he is orchestrating. There's so much to learn. So let's get started. 

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So today we're talking about something that I totally love, and I'm totally sold on. I love music. And I know that we learn more and retain more when it's connected to music. And so in fact, it was fun. When I was teaching kindergarten, I kind of had a thing go on with our music teacher at the school to see if I could come up with songs that she hadn't heard of. Once in a while I'd get there, but not too often. She was very well versed in music and, and in all kinds of songs. Well, today, we have a music teacher with us, and his name is Bryson Tarbet. And he is also known as that music teacher. And Bryson also has a podcast called That Music podcast. And so Bryson, why don't you talk to us a little bit more about what you have going on.

Bryson Tarbet  6:03  
Thank you so much for having me. Again, I am a music teacher. I love music, I believe in the power of it. But just like you were saying there is a really big utilitarian use of music. There's definitely music for music sake, but the research and the anecdotal evidence of how music can support in a child's learning and honestly, even in an adult's learning is just, it's just massive. And I'm really excited to see where we can get in this conversation and how we can make it applicable to your listeners.

DJ Stutz  6:31  
Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I love just seeing the results that happen. And it was funny because when I was teaching, we had a program going on. And we were supposed to sing a couple songs. And there was three kindergarten classes in that classroom and the other teachers were just for some reason, just struggling. I don't know if they just felt like they weren't musical. I heard them say, Oh, I have a terrible voice gets no care. The voice you have honestly, they just love the act of singing. So we wound up having song practice in my room. They all learned to sound great. And we did a nappy job and getting an agenda. So I think that's a misconception that a lot of people, parents, as well as teachers, grandparents, that we think oh, well, I'm not a good singer. Doesn't matter, does it?

Bryson Tarbet  7:25  
You unwilling or unknowingly brought up one of my favorite topics to talk about because children in humans, we are innately musical people. It isn't until we you know have adults or older siblings that say Oh, don't say you don't have a good singing voice. Or for some of us, unfortunately, a music teacher that says just mouthed the words, which is a whole other soapbox, I don't want to get on. But it's crazy. If you think if you go is like Satan, like a preschool playground and just listen, you'll hear these innately musical things. You'll hear that minor third Padam nanana Nana No, like that is just like, It's wild. And it's it really it really is a developmental milestone, but it is it's musical. And the the reality is, is you don't need this perfect singing voice. You don't need to be the next Beyonce just in order to sing and enjoying music. Music has so many things from lullabies to teaching the alphabet to understanding our emotions. And I truly believe that the world would do better if we all sang more and understood that it doesn't matter if I quote unquote, have a singing voice that I don't like or you know, a bad singing voice. That music is still valid and that voice and that singing is still incredibly important.

DJ Stutz  8:41  
Yeah, yeah. It's that we know that in that first year of life as you're holding that baby, right? And you're having struggles with it, maybe calming down or it's over stimulated or whatever, to go into a quiet room and just hum to that baby, they feel that vibration in your chest as you're holding them. And not only does it help to calm the baby down, it helps to calm you down to as a parent, you get stressed out when your baby's crying. You can't figure out why and you can't figure out what's going on. And so sometimes that singing is even more valid in unicorns, that it is for the baby, right?

Bryson Tarbet  9:24  
Yeah, there's a wonderful book book called The musical child by John Kinnick Kindig. And it is just wonderful about kind of what we're talking about that innately musical thing, how music can be something that we're using kind of developing parallel to language and oftentimes before language is developing, and that it has mutual benefits for both the parent and the caregiver. And it's just something that luckily we are starting to do a lot more research in this field. But there's just so much unknown about how truly transformative music can be a especially in early childhood,

DJ Stutz  10:01  
yeah, I had an episode. Gosh, it was probably a year and a half ago with a guy, Eric parks. And he's a musical guy. That's just his deal. And he was summer camps. And he does all of these things. We had a little girl that just was starting to learn the word no. Right? Now, you wrote a song about it. Your favorite instrument is a piano and no. And it got to where as he was singing it, your favorite Mountain is of all K? No. And so he put all of these things into it. And so when she would say, No, he'd start singing that song. And then she very quickly knew, right when her parts were to come in with her no. And it became a laughing fun thing and would turn things around. The funny thing was, sometimes she just loves connecting with her dad. And so she would get that little empty look on her face. They know just so that he would sing the song. And they could do it together. And then they'd go on with whatever it is that they were supposed to do. And so music can really make a difference in teaching our kids about responsibilities and about, like you said, emotions and how to follow through, it can help you figure out like, what is their schedule for today. And you can put that in music. There's all kinds of things that you can do with music, and kids. Yeah. And

Bryson Tarbet  11:28  
I think it's something that we as a society understand and kind of collectively agree on when it's like a one year old, two year old, maybe even a three year old, but then they start getting older. And it's like, no, no, we put some music in this box, we only sang during music class, or even then I'm like, ooh, that's, that's something that girls do, or things like that. And what I love about kind of what you were saying is music. I mean, for me, whenever I hear Clean up, clean up, I'm like, Oh, I gotta do it. Because like I've been conditioned, because those musical transitions are are wonderful ways to help students to help children understand what's coming next to kind of removed some of the anxiety in the situation. But also, again, it just brings so much joy to the situation, that wouldn't necessarily be brought the same way. If we just said the words instead of singing them.

DJ Stutz  12:19  
Yeah. And in fact, even if you don't have a tuner set song, it's okay. Just have the kids hear you singing to yourself, make up your own tune. I mean, it doesn't even have to be even tonight. She's just, I think a buddy do. You know, I am in the store. And I'm sitting on he didn't know what to say. But he's just putting whatever he had to say to some kind of sound that was musical. And that's a great example of ways that we as as parents, and as families can fill that and pull that there's a there was a professor, I'm sure he's retired by now. But his name is Michael Balam. He's an opera professor, out of Utah State, but he has performed in front of kings and queens, and presidents and all these kinds of things. But he's really into that therapy of music in so many ways in, in medicine, Music and Medicine. He did all kinds of research on that, and how it helps with healing. But there was a year that he took an inner city, junior high that had really low test scores, the kids were really struggling. And he convinced the school districts who let them do this, with this one, their lowest performing junior high. And what they did was for the first 10 minutes of every class, they had a musical thing, and it was all set up, you know, and the music was there. And the teachers were up in arms at first because it's like 10 minutes, we only got like 50 minutes, 53 minutes per class, and you're going to take like 10 minutes, our kids are already failing everything. But the school district and the principal had buy in. So of course, they got the teachers to do it. And with just within that one year test scores soared. And at the end of the year, the teachers were all on board to do it in the future, do it some more, and it really improved. So there's so many really interesting studies and works that are being done with music and all kinds of grades and how that relates to learning all kinds of subjects

Bryson Tarbet  14:25  
that really reminds me of the Hungarian school system. The pedagogy that me and a lot of other elementary music teachers follow is based off of the teachings and the studies of Zoltan co de who was from Hungary. And when Coda was kind of going through a real rough time, social, economic and geopolitical time, there was this realization that Hungary was really missing its national identity. There wasn't a lot of things that were like purely Hungary. So one of the things that happened is code I redid all of the music actually Education framework. And that really still goes through the educational system today. I mean, music is at the core of Hungarian school systems there. I mean, I'm talking multiple times a day music classes, starting from the first year you're in school. And the reality is it just like you said, music is so wonderful and has such great musical aspects. But when we're thinking about rhythm, and meter, and all of these other things that are applicable, and how it affects the brain in other ways, helps create these well rounded students that just happen to have this incredible foundation of music, if they so choose to take the next step in their musical training.

DJ Stutz  15:40  
Yeah, so right on. And so music class isn't just music class. And so when we hear about school districts that are saying, Oh, we're going to cancel school for budgetary reasons, or whatever, that's the dumbest thing that they could do. Because it bleeds into every part of learning, just every part of learning. And we have so many studies that show that I happen to know, because I have sat in on many government meetings, both at the state of Nevada State and I used to live in Nevada and on the national level, that when they are looking at, they didn't get the money they wanted from some bond or whatever, that what they'll do is they'll cut the programs that are the most obvious, the ones that what parents will get up in arms in to try and get them to vote for the bond or whatever. But in reality, those things are the last things they should cut, I couldn't think of a million other places we could cut, other than like music, and art and recess, pe all those kinds of things. So no two parents, if they start talking like that, know what they're doing, they're manipulating you to try and get you to do what they want you to do. And instead of being realistic about what is the best benefit, per money coming in, and music is right up there at the top of there's great benefits compared to the money you put into the program. I mean,

Bryson Tarbet  17:11  
the reality is, is I've seen many districts in my area, do exactly what you're just saying, there's a hey, if this lobby fails, the marching band is gone. All these super visible things that have a lot of people that have this kind of really big impact, they'll say, we're gonna have to cut them because we don't have the money. And there is a definite issue with the way we've funded schools here in this country. But the reality is, just like you said, there's so much that's happening in the music classroom, that is not just me teaching musical skills, there's so much teamwork and emotional regulation and spatial awareness and understanding of differences. And quite frankly, in this high stakes testing environment that we're in, oftentimes, students are sometimes unwillingly or accidentally taught that there is a right answer with the wrong answer. And the reality is, is oftentimes, there are many answers. And what I love about the music classroom is that it lets students see something that isn't just this is right, or this is wrong. For instance, if I'm having my students compose their own piece of music, yes, I'm gonna put some parameters around there, but like, everyone's going to have something different. And they might say, Well, how was that? Like? I don't know, what what did you think of that? You know, what, how would you? How would you give feedback to someone who played that? What can we do to make this sound more interesting, and allowing them to have that lateral level of thinking, again, it's helping them increase their musical skills, but it's also giving them a lot of skills and interpersonal skills, and interpersonal skills that allow them to apply those to other aspects of their education.

DJ Stutz  18:44  
So amazingly true. And it's amazing how fast they pick up on it. So actually, just this last weekend, so now we live in eastern Idaho, and I have a daughter in Reno, and she's got two kids, boys seven and a girl five. And so we got them a piano that her dad plays. And we've been thinking, Oh, this is great opportunity for the grandkids. So we were over there this weekend and delivered, we delivered the piano. And this seven year old boy went in, and he just kind of disappeared. But he's kind of a thoughtful loner, kind of a kid in many ways. And so I didn't think much of it. And then he came to me and he said, Nina, that's what my grandkids call me is Nina. And he said, I want to play this. And so he showed me a paper and he had gone in. And he had written, they weren't on a staff, but they were musical notes. And he had half notes and quarter notes and eighth notes. And he had them tied together and all of this then I was like, Oh, wow. And so we looked at it and we clapped out the rhythm of the notes that he made seven year old. And I said Sylvan Where did you learn how to do this? my music teacher. And so I mean, even at seven years old, which he understood all of those kinds of concepts, and then being able to clap it out and count 1212123, he could do that. And I was just so amazed. And so I think that oftentimes we don't give our kids credit for how much they can learn at such a young age. And I think music is more important at the earliest stages than even a four year old doesn't need to know how to read or write yet. But if they can clap out sounds, and understand basics of music, that's going to help them read and write and do laugh. as they age, it becomes more appropriate.

Bryson Tarbet  20:49  
That's one thing that I wish more people understood. Because when I talk to adults, and say, I'm a music teacher, I usually get a lot of the same types of interactions. First of all, they usually Oh, like choir, and they say, No, like elementary school. And then they go, Oh, the recorder, which is a whole other topic. But one thing that I always hear them say is, I wish I never stopped, or, you know, I used to play the trombone in band, I wish I you know, I wish I still knew how to do that. And well, first of all, that's still an opportunity. But what can kind of be really tricky about that is the way that musical development works, mimics very closely to how language development works. And it's just like trying to learn a language when you're two, versus when you're 52. The way that our brains work, there's so much more plastic, the younger we are, and that's why we have these children, that they're picking up on things so quickly, musically, because they're exploring it in a way that is developmentally appropriate. And that is really allowing them to just use it in essentially babble in music. I mean, that's when I when I used to teach piano lessons, I would have my students, the first day of play something, let's see what we come up with. And it's just like, when you have a baby that's going my Mama Mama, they're not saying mama, but they're going to eventually start understanding that Mama is going to have that connotation and have that things like that. And it's just that the more we use it, and the more we interact with music, and, and use our musical skills, those are going to actually strengthen the neural connections in our brain, which will make it easier to do the music stuff, which is awesome. But it's also those connections are already there, and can be used for other purposes.

DJ Stutz  22:32  
Yes, I just love the openness and the opportunity. And as a teacher, I would often I could see my class, they're like, oh, gosh, we need to move around just because they're, you know, the start when they're playing. And so we had, like, there were tons of things that we could just sing on our own. There were videos, music videos, there's go noodle, there's all kinds of things that you can do to get on and there's actions and movement to the music. And it's funny that as we would walk down the hall, I would have teachers, like your kids are like amazing on the pole walk. And, but they were all singing. And so they were walking in step to their thing. We even have like little movements that they could do while they were walking. So they're not hitting each other. But also things that we can do in the car, we can do by grandma's house, we can do that just at home. There's all these sites that are available for music for young kids that you can do at home, there's no reason for you to say, Oh, that's a school thing, and really have it in both places. So the kids become very fluid. And music is just part of everything I do.

Bryson Tarbet  23:43  
I totally agree. And what I wish that we could get more parents and caregivers to understand is that there's research that says if you read to your child at home, they're going to be so much more successful. But when we think about that, as if we don't show what music making could be or even music, enjoying even just listening to music, if we don't model that at home as well. It's even less than half we're barely filling that jar we're barely giving them the exposure and the opportunity to babble so that they can continue to develop that and and understand what they like and what they dislike and and how to share that. You know, one thing that I do with my students is I say you're not going to love every song that I play or every song that we sing or every game that we do, but what I want you to do is eventually be able to figure out why you don't like that song. Is that instrument too loud? Do you not like it when it's really the tambor of the instrument is super bright. And again, I know I keep saying this, but those are wonderful musical skills, but they're also just really applicable skills to being a person in this world we live in.

DJ Stutz  24:43  
Yes. And I love that you challenge them to figure out why they don't like a song. Is it the instruments is it the rhythm is it some rhythms are very aggressive, and some rhythms are very soothing and calming. And we know All that music has been used to incite. As well as music has been used to calm people down to feel a reverence when you walk into a church or something, and you hear that Reverend music playing maybe on the Oregon or whatever, it can get you excited about praising that for me to go back and listen to the hits of the 70s. And it was just crazy. But when I hear it, it just brings that smile to my face. And there are memories associated with certain songs, or that's why couples have, that's our song. Because they're relating that to something that sweet or wonderful, or when they met or whatever. And that brings that tenderness back to them. So music can bring in all kinds of the emotions and memories and reactions.

Bryson Tarbet  25:57  
I never thought that I would be a person that would be like, fascinated by neuroscience. But when you learn your science and how it interacts with music, it's just, it's mind blowing, the way that kind of like you were sending the certain types of music will actually stimulate parts of your brain to make them feel like they're in danger. And that's why when you're watching a scary movie, they there is a various type a specific type of music that they're playing, because they're playing on that as well. Or when you're watching a really sad part of the movie, there's different things going on. And you mentioned memories, music and memories is huge, especially as the research continues to grow in dementia and Alzheimer's. Being someone who has my own had my own family affected by Alzheimer's, it really, it's really amazing to see someone who, unfortunately is aware of a very little going on around them or what situation they're actually in. But then you play a song and they're singing along with it. And it really it will literally it will literally reignite parts of their brain that were misfiring so that they're able to experience that experience again. And it truly is magical to see how music has a physical effect on the way that our brains are wired.

DJ Stutz  27:19  
You're so exactly right, because Alzheimer's very struggled on my family as well. And my mom died with it. But it was interesting. Neil Diamond was her guy, right. And mom had a beautiful singing voice, in fact, to people. And we finally did have to put her in a home just because the medications were too much for us to keep track of and stuff. But they thought she had been a professional singer, because she just sang all the time she had this lovely voice. And she would be gone. You know what I mean with dementia, she just kind of gone. And we would put on mealtime and especially Hello, my friends Hello. And he'd see mom come back, she would light up, she would sing. And she's saying it beautifully, never missing a word. And then as soon as the song was over, Fade to black. And so that is true.

Bryson Tarbet  28:10  
There's a wonderful Tiktok account, it's orif bon ORIFB o n e, which follows a 95 year old woman named Elaine, who is in a home with dementia and will often be not really be with it and not really have an idea of you know who she's with, or who's there with her, but can pull out these songs, and like full on Claire de Lune and Chopin pieces. And again, it's just it really shows how music is a physical thing that truly physically changes us, not just something that we listened to while we're driving.

DJ Stutz  28:45  
Yeah, you're right, you're so right. In fact, even when we're driving, it can either help us stay awake. or lowest asleep. Even if you say you're not a musical person, your heartbeat, and your heart beats in rhythm. Right? We are put together musically, in my mind. And so even the way we breathe, and all of that has a rhythm and a beat to it. That whether we acknowledge it or not, we are all musical people and our bodies in the process of living, creating music.

Bryson Tarbet  29:23  
I agree completely. I think often times that heartbeat is one of the first things we hear. And one of the last things we hear in our life because it's inside us or you know therapy and of life. It's the only thing around us. And I think that when we think of that, that is a a very clear way that we are not that we are human that we are not robots. We're not ticking. We are each beating with our unique little sounds. Everyone's heart sounds slightly different and that's it's truly as a magical thing when you really get down and think about it. Yeah,

DJ Stutz  29:57  
it really is. And I think too We use music with kids who are struggling with things like maybe ADHD, hyperactivity, just being a boy. All those things that go on we use it is really valuable in getting the wiggles out getting them to focus on things. Oftentimes with boys. It's well, and the girls would like this too, though. But as we'd go down the home, they people weren't singing a song, but we were chanting a rhythm. Right? You look at the military. And as they're running or doing whatever it is that they're doing, you hear that cadence that they that Sergeant will call around and have to discharge and so I'll have great singing voices. But it helps them to get that rhythm of life going together, and they become more of a unit. And so I think to like my youngest son, anyone's listen to Longley. My youngest son, Christian was like off the charts, ADHD, just struggled so so much. And the first thing that he really got introduced to, even before kindergarten was drumming, he would be Dremen on anything, how many little kids do we see that are only there banging on pots and pans or on buckets or on the wall, or whatever they can, that banging the neck, creating a rhythm is something that helps them organize their mind. And it really helps with Krishna. In fact, when he was little, well, probably about six, seven years old. And we had a neighbor down the street. This was when I lived in Vegas, and he was a studio musician on the drums. He had awesome drums that it was just so cool. And our kids were about the same age and they played together. One Saturday morning, we get up and the the doors knocking someone's at our door. So I go over to about seven in the morning. And there's our neighbor with our little guy Christian. Like, oh, no, no, he was drumming at my house. For some reason their door had been unlocked. And he gotten up, I said, When did he show up? About 630 He came in and started drumming. And he said we let him throw him for a while because he was happy, he enjoyed it. And so that even became a thing that helped him, hey, if we have a good report at school, you can go down and drum on Jake's drums. Otherwise, you have to drum on the drums we have. He loved it. But it really helped him with organizing himself physically, as well as mentally. And so this can work with kids who are just super active for whatever reason. It's worked with some autistic kids as well. And to music is math, it's just math. You know, you've got the quarter notes, and the whole notes and half notes and the rests then all my friends and even have rests in on his music. It was so cute. And so if they're able to get those things going, when they start learning fractions, when they start learning, addition and subtraction and all of that kind of stuff, it's all going to come into play because they know music.

Bryson Tarbet  33:17  
Yeah. And that's one thing that I wish more teachers would understand. And I feel like a lot of it comes from the system where teachers in general are just overworked and underpaid. But the reality is that we are all on this same journey, we are all on the same working towards the same goal of helping our students be educated. I happen to teach do that through music. While no my my subject area is not tested. And this then the other thing is we are all helping holistically educate the student. And I feel like a lot of it comes from what we've talked about earlier, which is just that pure, like literal ignorance of what actually happens in a music classroom and how music can really benefit a child and how it's not just a planning period. And it's not just something you do for fun or to kill time on a Saturday. Because if your kids have to stay home with their kids all day, they're going to destroy the house. You know, it truly is beneficial in so many ways. And I don't know, I just I can't talk enough about how music, how much music has changed my life, and how much I've been able to see it impact the lives of my students.

DJ Stutz  34:24  
Yeah. I hope that parents are getting the gist of this. How important music is that we don't want to be useful idiots, I guess where they're going to hold that hostage for our kids education. Because they didn't get what they wanted. I want us to understand that music envelops everything that we do, and that we are musical beings. I've heard I couldn't carry a tune in a bucket. Yeah, but you can keep her keep a rhythm. heart tells me that you're breathing. Your body is keeping a rhythm and so all of those things come into play. So Bryson, I would love for you to talk to us just for a second about your own podcast that you have, and then how people can get in touch with you,

Bryson Tarbet  35:09  
for sure. So I realized very early in my teaching career at that elementary music teachers were kind of stuck on what we lovingly referred to as music teacher Island, where we're the only people at our schools to teaching music. And we oftentimes have to, you know, Delegate PD in our content area. And that's kind of why I created my business, that music teacher is to connect with other elementary music teachers, and to work through some of these situations that make our jobs difficult. And I created that music podcast to share some of the things that I've worked in my classroom and to amplify the voices of others so that we, as music teachers can feel like we're are actually a part of a team. And we're not just there, because the real teachers, quote, unquote, need to have their planning period. And so we can feel like what we're doing actually matters, and that we actually know how to do it. So that's kind of me in a nutshell, the best place to reach out to me is over on Instagram at that music teacher. I love having conversations about music clearly. And I'd love to reach out.

DJ Stutz  36:12  
That sounds fantastic. And to I want to encourage parents, what they're learning in school in music certainly translates at home. And so even if you're a parent, you're not a music teacher, I would suggest even listening in on your podcast to get some of the fields of what are the things that they're doing a music class, and how was it moving forward? And how can I take some of that and use it at home too. So definitely give him a listen, check them out, because I'm really excited about his energy with music and how it completes us. And you can tell this is one of my fun subjects. I really enjoy it. So right. And before we go, I asked my all my guests the same question at the end of the day. And that is, we know there are no perfect parents. But how would you describe a successful parent,

Bryson Tarbet  37:03  
my biggest thing would be communication, willing to listen, willing to share and willing to realize that everyone makes mistakes. And sometimes you have to be the bigger person and say, Hey, I dug my heels in and I shouldn't have and I'm sorry.

DJ Stutz  37:19  
Wow. Yeah, that is certainly an important part of being successful is being able to humble yourself. Tell your kid Oh, I'm sorry. Once you realize you're in the wrong, don't take any further. And so you just have just great insight and advice, probably from all about music. UTeach Bryson, thank you so much for spending this time with us. I'd really appreciate it. And for everyone else who is listening, please be sure to leave a review and hit follow and leave a comment. We would love to hear your thoughts about our conversation today. And I will respond. And I will forward comments as well to Bryson. Yeah. And we'll have a conversation ourselves. So, Bryson, thank you so much.

Bryson Tarbet  38:06  
Thank you so much for having me. You betcha.

DJ Stutz  38:12  
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